Thursday, May 25, 2006

What is the Salary of a Dentist?

I titled this post "Salary of a Dentist" because many people use their search engines to answer that question. I have a problem with the question itself. Most Dentists do not make a "salary". They are self-employed. What you really need to ask is what is the net income. That is income after paying overhead expenses. Well, from what I can tell that varies greatly with each individual and with any given point in a career. Generally, you will eventually be in the top 10% of income earners in the U.S. I am writing this for the aspiring dentists out there. Just remember, nothing comes without hard work and a love for what you do.

Well, how much does a dentist make? If you want reasonably accurate statistics, go to the ADA web site. They have reports (which you may have to pay a small fee to get) that report gross income, net income, etc. for various dental specialties. I have to say that most of these studies are a couple years old. The sample size is quite small for specialties as there are just not many of us. In addition, many of us, myself included, do not have enough time to fill out rather long survey forms from the ADA. Therefore, data may not reflect reality, but what they have is probably the best available data out there. Other sources might be government agencies (census, hhs, etc.) Cnn/Money lists "Dentist" in the top ten highest paying careers and Oral Surgeon as number three. Although their numbers are not quite accurate as I have explained here (I actually think their numbers are a little low), you get the idea. One might say I shouldn't talk about salaries this way. All I know is that I want my neurosurgeon, my airline pilot and my dentist to be the most skilled caring professionals out there and I want them to be happy and well compensated.

Here is what I have observed:

1. Dentists in general and dental specialists in particular spend lots of time getting their education. That means while their peers are already earning an income, dentists are still in school. In fact that education is quite costly. Most dentists end up with $100,000 or more in debt upon graduation. Ouch!

2. Once a dentist graduates college (assuming 4 years there), he/she has four years of dental school followed by a minimum of two years of specialty residency. If someone is 18 upon entering college, that figures out to being around a minimum of 28 years old when you are ready to earn an income. I have noticed that many are much older than that.

3. If you do the math, it's going to take a lot of income to make up for lost time (income), lost investments, and to pay off all that debt.

4. Once you start "practice", you will fall into one of a few categories: private practitioner (and owner of a business, your practice), salaried employee or associate, or a salaried employee in an academic institution (or the military).

-If you are salaried as an employee or an associate, the "salary" term is more appropriate. You will make a good living. I am guessing in the more than $100k range. The U.S. government list the median at $130,000. It will not change much over time if you remain an employee dentist. In Pediatric Dentistry in particular, I have noticed that starting "salaries" have been going up in the past few years as the demand for pediatric specialists is increasing.

-If you start out on your own, you will initially not make the same income as your peers. In fact just starting a business means you will likely have a negative income for the first few years! As time goes on, and if you do the right things, you will eventually "make" more than salaried employees, but again you start out very slowly. You have to use your "income" to pay off school debt, pay off business loans, invest in dental equipment, and of course pay lots of taxes. Eventually however, some of the top professionals earn several hundred thousand per year. That is, probably $300 to $500k/yr or more. Oh, when you have increasing income you will discover the bite of higher tax rates. So, you really have to earn a lot more to realize any real increase. Also, as a business owner you will spend a lot more time on business issues (after hours and weekends).

-The best arrangement, I think is to start out as an associate of another dentist or dentists with a "salary" leading to a transitional stage where you earn more as you work more, followed by "buying into" a practice, thus becoming an owner or part owner. That will allow you to earn a reasonable income the first few years, pay off debt, learn more about the profession and patient care, and then transition into being an owner where you will do quite well. All this takes time.

5. It does not hold that any one specialty (or general dentistry) is more lucrative than another. Some specialties from time to time are in more demand and therefore will get more income. Pediatric Dentistry in particular right now is in great demand with limited supply. It has more to do with the business situation you are in and what you do with it. Your academic credentials help you make a good income but it's being in business that makes the largest incomes. Your interpersonal people skills can make all the difference as well. If you are a crummy dentist with poor people skills who doesn't care about your patients, you will not do very well. In fact you need to find another line of work. Our patients deserve only the best.

6. Once you start doing well, you must invest any savings wisely because many dentist do not work till age 65 and are prone to health problems like back trouble that might cut a career short. One more thing, you will do a lot better than most physicians.

In summary, if you are a young dentist, you will earn less than an older more experienced dentist. Being a great dentist and business owner with good people skills is more critical to long-term income than is your specialty, but specialists genarally receive higher incomes. You usually start out with debt and a low or even negative income. Eventually, you will do quite well and make up for all the "sacrifice" over the years. It is a blessing to be in a country (The United States of America) that will allow a reasonable reward for your education and all that hard work (and it is hard work). If you love your profession, love your patients, are skilled and compassionate, have high ethical standards, have good business skills and good people skills, and work hard, dentistry is a financially rewarding profession.

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At 11:01 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sweet..i think i am going to be a dentist when i get out of high school!

 
At 7:11 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thanks that was inspiring

 
At 11:52 AM, Anonymous Little Long said...

I think if I put my mind to it, I will become a dentist. I think that was very interesting to read.

 
At 10:37 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in my fourth year of dental school and enjoyed what you had to say about the profession. It is tons of hard work but well worth it. Just to give different view of dept and some other things...I'm graduating from a private school and will have close to 300,000 in school loan dept. Over half dental schools are private and have high tuition. The good news is that the money is easy to get with the high earning of potential of dentists. I've tracked at least a dozen friends that have graduated and have gone on to start there own practices. None of them started out negative for more than a month or two and were able to do well right from the beginning. With all the good marketing companies out there, in the right area, starting a practice is pretty easy. Also, doing a residency straight out of school is a good idea but not required. My class has 105 students and only about 12 have decided to continue with a residency. That's one of the great things about dentistry, no residency. So, all in all I did 4 years of undergrad and four years of dental school. I hope this helps and encourage anyone out there to pursue dentistry, it's a great field with great rewards.

 
At 9:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am 15, and my family is not wealthy so i will have to depend on hopefully somewhat of a scholarship.. I make 4.0's, and want to be a dentist with all my heart. I liked reading your blog. Do you think that i will have a change financially, and do dentist school offer full ride scholarships? I would very much appreciate it if you would answer help answer my questions by writing to me at petey-22@hotmail.com
Thank you!

 
At 6:06 AM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

There are several ways to finance your education. However, I would first concentrate on getting through college and obtaining a degree.

There are scholarships, loans and grants available for dental school just as they are for any university education. Some are based on economic status and a few on other factors. You will need to contact the admissions office of the dental school(s) to find out what is available at that particular school.

Good Luck!

 
At 8:38 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

thats too long

 
At 8:29 AM, Blogger Bring Your "A" Game.... said...

I am in Pre-Dentistry right now and I am so greatful that you wrote this... I have been thinking about all the different avenues I should take when I am finished with school in order to optimize my money, time and debt and this is very informative.... Thank you so very much....

 
At 4:42 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

i am a sophmore in college. I've not been trying my best in school and my GPA is pretty low. I've been thinking about my passions and my future lately and thought about dentistry. I am working as a research assistant this summer and possibly the following summer also. Like I said my GPA is very low. it is 2.5. Do you think I still have chance to get into a dental school? I am almost scared that I would spend the rest of my two years trying very hard in all the science classes and would get rejected from every dental school.
I guess my question is ...is it too late to try?

 
At 2:07 PM, Blogger Mo said...

Is Dentistry really worth all the education? I have a friend that after college he did some business venture and then after those failed and at around 28 or 29 he decided to go to Dental School. $ yrs later he graduated is continuing on to a specialty dentistry school which I think he told me is like another 3 yrs of practice and like another 4 yrs of school for his specialty practice. He'll be roughly around 40 41 or older when he graduates and starts practicing as a dentist. Mind you all the Debt he has incurred has to pay that off first probably 150,000 actually more realistically $300,000 to $400,000 and that will probably take 5 to 10 years to get that paid off then start earning an income. Well by the time that is all paid off and he starts to earn an income he'll be nearly 50 yrs old. Doesn’t seem like it's really all cracked up to what people make it to believe. I wouldn't want to be in my mid 40's and have to worry about debt and be around 50 by the time I get it paid off. I think Dentists are overrated.

 
At 2:38 PM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Sophomore:

You can go far with your passion. Grades are important however. I would say that if you can show improvement in recent grades especially in courses such as Organic or Bio Chemistry, that would help. They will look more closely at you recent grades than those earlier. Dentistry is more competitive these days--pays to be as good as you can no matter what. If it does not work out then you have a good experience and record to build on.

 
At 2:48 PM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Is Dentistry worth is? Yes---if you are good at it. (and sometimes even if you are not)...

Are Dentists overrated?--depends on who is doing the overrating and what the expectations are. You can read this post for my observations. It's definitely overrated if you are not cracked up to do it, but that's true of pretty much anything. It's hard work. If what you are concerned is only income you can certainly say that dentistry is a stable income--not likely to get "laid off" when the economy turns South. Remember, whatever you do for a living does not define ones character. Dentistry is more than a job, it is a Profession.

 
At 11:46 PM, Blogger Tommy said...

Awesome....but what about the high suicide rates?

fact or fiction?

 
At 12:57 AM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Been a long running joke as far back as the Bob Newhart Show in the 70's.. From what little I know, not any different than any other profession.

 
At 9:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Go to respiratory therapy school. Only takes 2 years to complete. No huge loans to repay, no litigation to worry about and responsibility is minimal. I paid less than 5K to complete the program and I made over 82K last year and am on pace to do the same this year. Most MD's I've met over the course of my career are more interested in the recognition than they are in patient care.

Not good enough for you, do like my wife and give nurse anesthesia a try. This field requires a masters degree which has a higher yearly income greater than most general medicine doctors. Yearly average is 180K here in TX.

 
At 8:58 AM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

I agree that Nurse Anesthetist is a great profession. I work with them often when we do cases in the OR. Highly trained and smart people.

 
At 11:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Brandon,
I don't know if you still read up on this blog but I just came across your post after 3 hours of career searching.

I've just finished my first year of college, thinking that I was preparing to become a pediatrician (I love working with kids) just to find out that I really don't think that I am interested in the med school and residency process. I felt so lost after searching through tons of career websites, none of which caught my interest.
I always thought that dentistry was not a bad occupation but I had never actually thought about it as a career option. However, after seeing the words pediatric in front of dentistry, I was suddenly contemplating it and typed it in the search engine which led me to your blog. After reading it, I felt so much more certain and have become even more convinced to pursue dentistry.
Thank you so much for your post!!
Also, would you recommend that I begin working at a dental office to gain more experience and knowledge of the field to see if I want to pursue it for sure?
Thanks again!
-Miss grateful

 
At 4:48 AM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Great comment! I definitely recommend checking out a pediatric dental office to see what goes on on a daily basis. Research as much as you can. However, do not think dental school is "easier" than medical school. I have talked with a few people who have done both med and dental, and they said dental school is "harder" than medical school, but residency in medical school was the worst. It's a long road. I know a few people who started out in premed and ended up in dentistry. I picked Pediatric Dentistry for a number of reasons, #1 being the kids. I definitely enjoy this better than general (old people) dentistry. See my other posts on the specialties, etc. Good Luck

 
At 3:12 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Brandon,

In your opinion, if one wants to pursue becoming a pediatric dentist, what should one obtain a bachelor's degree in? Also, is four years the minimum required to become a pediatric dentist?

 
At 3:54 PM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Usually the requirements to enter dental school would lead one to be fairly close to a degree in Biology or Chemistry. However, I have seen dental students majoring in History, Accounting, Pharmacy, etc. So long as you get the basic science requirements, it doesn't matter what the major. It does matter about grades and many other things. Check out my other posts on dental school. Basically, 4 years of dental school followed by two years of residency n Pediatric Dentistry. Yup, a long road.

 
At 7:45 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What no one seems to advice is shadowing time in a dentist office. Before you take your first step towards dentistry, you MUST SHADOW!!!! I thought I wanted to go to med school, and so I went into private practices and the OR and realized I was indifferent about medicine (the physician has to worry more about billing logistics/insurance compensation than the patient). Once you realize what you want to do, simply strive for A's in all classes. If you come up short in a few, no big deal. Everyone must realize that a dental school has a finite number of seats, lets say 80. So who would the dental scool rather take.....the ones with the best grades/shadowing experiences/ and personalities. I'm entering a dental school that took 700 applications and accepted 80 students. It is very competitive now so you must have a well rounded application!

 
At 7:52 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

As an entering dental student, I strongly disagree with anyone who says that a student should be a biology/chemistry major. Ask any practising dentist what they most lacked when entering private practice and they will all tell you they were mal-informed on the importance of business. Anyone wanting to become a dentist, im sorry but you will be equally a business individual as well. So major in business, that way you only take the core classes needed for dental school and do not have to waste time studying biogeography, mycology, taxonomy, botany, and other classes that you will not use as a dentist. Your knowledge of these course will be covered in general biology.

 
At 7:44 PM, Blogger Jordan said...

Dr. Brandon,

I have an undergraduate degree in Business Administration and minored in biology. I graduated in May of 2006 and have been working as an IT analyst for the past two years. My dad has been a dental lab technician for 30 years so I grew up around dentistry and know that it is something I am very interested in. My first two years of college I took the majority of my science courses including general biology 1 and 2, general chem 1 and 2, physics, genetics, and calculus. I didn't have my priorities straight when taking these courses, and my grades were primarily B's with a few A's as a result. I think my science GPA is somewhere in the 3.1 range. I then took the business path and finished my undergraduate studies with a 3.5 GPA. I am thinking about pursuing my goal of becoming a dentist, and was wondering if there are other courses I need to take prior to applying to dental school. Also, would you recommend retaking courses to improve my science grades? I know that taking the courses with my current perspective on education would improve my grades. Any advice you can give a person aspiring to make a career change into the dental field would be greatly appreciated.

 
At 7:58 PM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

I am no expert on dental admissions, but I would suggest talking with the admissions office at your preferred dental school. As far as grades, things are competitive, but an improving grade profile is a good sign. Also, experience (like the IT stuff) outside the sciences is good too, especially demonstrating "people" skills. Good Luck.

 
At 1:46 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

dentistry is sweet. only problem is you have to be crazy smart and have mad hand skills, unlike med, where you can get away with being a klutz. dental schools are also keeping admissions artificially low to protect the profession (demand>supply). our class had an average entering GPA of 3.75, and an average DAT of 21. There's three people with 4.0 averages through undergrad. Three people left during the year - two couldn't handle the course load, and the other one switched to med because he couldn't cut it in clinic. That's the real kicker in dentistry. You can have studied your brains out, but if you lack the ability to work on that millimetre scale you're hooped. Before entering I thought if there was something I couldn't do I'd just practise until perfect, but the reality is you're staring at the standard first year med curriculum on your to-do pile, and you don't have time to fool around.

If you can get in and cut the mustard great, you're set up for life in the profession's gold age. Baby boomers are keeping their teeth, retiring dentists outnumber new grads, and the demand for aesthetic/cosmetic dentistry (read:$$$) is on the rise. But don't get your hopes up before checking the school's websites and seeing your competition, because it's fierce. If you're thinking nurse vs DDS you're kidding yourself. It's MD vs DDS if you're looking at undergrad gpa, and for manual dexterity it's DDS vs something like watchmaker, I don't even know what it compares to. Also take into account that schools limit "out of state" applicants to a very low number, and tend to accept mostly people who attended undergrad or live in their state, and your number of possible school choices takes a nosedive. Many people in our school hold Phd's or professional degrees in other professions, and worked their way towards the DDS, because they tried and failed to gain acceptance earlier in their university careers.

But I mean, if you beat the donkey hard enough and gain acceptance, you're golden. I'm going to have just turned 25 when I graduate, and my only problem will be deciding whether to get my sister the porsche or the merc for her birthday. I'll work 3.5 days a week as an associate (make around 200K for my trouble), and build my own practise, which I will be king of, and make as much as I feel like working. That's the thing about dentistry that kicks med firmly in the rear end - GP's have the power. They can do anything they feel like, and only refer the scuttwork they don't feel like doing to the specialists. I will be able to chuck thirds, place titanium, do root canals, whatever. An MD GP (who has to do post-grad schooling too lol) can't do thoracic surgery, can't give his patient lipo, can't do anything fun (read:makes $$$).

 
At 11:56 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

200,000 st8 out of school is inflated, but this is this is close to right on. The big advantage of dental specialties is lower overhead in your office, which leads to higher net salary in the end. If you are really a money chaser, go for endodontics they clean up. Have fun staying top ten in your class and getting a 90 on the boards part 1 though. Tie minus 2 years till boards is pass/fail, ridiculous. Here is my recommendation if you want to clean up: do every root canal you can in dental school and get fast at it, after school do a one year GPR or AEGD where you place alot of implants. When you get in private practice do every root canal that does not slow you down. Give the crazy ones to a endodontist and place as many implants as you can (again that aren't to difficult give those to perio or OMFS). Sell cosmetic work as much as you can and invest in a good intra-oral camera. Remember dentistry is not like becoming a salaried office worker. Their are guys that have one little office with one assistant, and guys that own multiple practices and have many associates working under them. It is what you make of it. Also, move to FL., no sales tax and tons of baby boomers with money that need a lot of work.

 
At 7:59 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Dean
I ama junior in high school and everyone tells me that I have to start thinking about college and what I want to do. Ever since I was little I loved teeth and I love working with little kids. I wanted to become a Pediatric Dentist because it just seems right for me. So basically I will be 28 when i get out of college? Doesnt that just put your life like on hold until then when normally people your age are starting families. Of course my family thinks this profession will be good for me because I can make a good living but I want to know if you think it is worth it to have to start your life at 28 with so much debt? I would really like to know your opinion on this. Thanks

 
At 9:43 AM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Well, I cannot answer if if it is worth it (for you), but even though it can delay a regular income, I do know several people that went through dental school married with children. It can be done. Study hard no matter your eventual decision.

 
At 12:54 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Dr. Brandon
I am aware that colleges have summer programs. Can some of your pre-dental school be completed in summer courses to maybe be able to finish school earlier then 10 years of schooling?

 
At 1:13 PM, Blogger Dr. Dean Brandon said...

Many people finish college in 3 years by taking summer courses. You don't have to, but I would advise anyone to finish undergrad and get your degree first no matter how long it takes.

 

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